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TIBETAN  

Location: USA
Subject: CHINESE JUST GET OUT OF TIBET
Feb 05 2005 12:21 AM

IN COMMUNISM THE BUTCHERS AT TOP LIKE MAO, JIANG AND HU CAN KILL MILLIONS GET GLORIFIED YET ORDINARY PEOPLE ARE JUST EXECUTED FOR JUST EXPRESSING THEIR FREE WILL.

DON'T YOU KNOW THAT MAO AND STALIN EACH HAVE KILLED FAR MORE THAN THE HITLER. EVEN THE THEN PRESIDENT OF CHINA LIO SHIO QUI DIED IN PRISION JUST BECAUSE OF MAO PARANOIA.

I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAN AND CHINESE. BY HAN WE TIBETAN MEAN CHINESE. THE CHINESE ARE SWARMING TIBET LIKE A WILD ANT COLONY TO DISPLACE TIBETANS IN THEIR OWN LAND.



Diego  

Location: USA
Subject: chauvinist me
Feb 03 2005 05:34 AM

hello love, well, perhaps I am a han chauvinist, but you're the one who labled me as han. seriously, i don't know I'm han, and since i don't know what i am, i'll assume that i'm han, although i do have a mongolian aunt and some other minority aunt too, but that's not really important, sin i am HAN, and since I'm HAN and anti separation, I'm a chauvinist.

Again, i don't know enough about this subject. I'm sure all of you have read volumes of books, magazines, and publications on this. one sided i'm sure, but nonetheless, you know a lot more than i do, so again, i'll have to say that i can't make intelligent retorts.

but thanks for not calling me stupid.

as for the beating and raping and all that, i don't doubt that it happened, but i doubt it was ordered. just like i doubt that the japanese government ordered that the japanese army massacre, rape and bash the heads of chinese civillians. and they still refuse to acknowledge that it happened.

so that's how i would feel, fight them to death. that's what the chinese did anyway, so if the tibetians want to slaughter chinese troops, they're completely welcom to, i mean come on, that's what soldiers are for, to kill and be killed. but you don't suppose that the han, as you had to remind me, not the chinese, the han, would relinquish tibet or anywhere else just because you tell us its our moral responsibility, do you? I mean, as you pointed out, us commies aren't exactly morally upright, like to lie, and all that. but even morally conscientious countries like japan, the US, the UK, none of them ave up their territories without a fight. If Tibet can manage to fight and win, then china has no grounds to say anything, but just to give it up? i doubt it'd be that easy.

and don't expect china to owe up to beatings and rapes and all the crime either. i mean, call me a whiner and an irrational grudge holder, but i don't think china's gonna admit anything until japan admits their atrocities, or before the UK and france and germany give back the treasures that they took when they ransacked China a century ago. You don't see that on your history textbooks, so i doubt you'd see Tibetian atrocities on CHinese textbooks in a hundred years either.

but again, i'm a han chauvinist, not a chinese chauvinist mind you, but a han chauvinist. Why am i focusing on the han? because i've never actually seen myself as a han, I've always seen myself as a chinese, just like i see tibetians and mongolians and tars as chinese. they're still tibetians and nmongolians and tars, but they're chinese. but that may indeed be my chauvinism coming out, after all, England believed that the Irish were English subjects.

I think most chinese people not in tibet fully respect tibetians as fellow human beings, as fellow chinese. but the soldiers that go into tibet, when they're faced with opposition and dislike, find themselves returning the resentment. i mean, how long can you go liking someone who hates your guts.

so perhaps china should leave tibet, and taiwan, and yunnan (although i have family there and that'd just suck) and hong kong, and everywhere else, non chinese people tell the chinese is not china. sure ok. but watching the soviet union fall apart was painful, and us being the chinese who suspect foul play, we think it's just an international conspiracy to break a possible world power. well you might say that since the USSR is bad, breaking up was inevitable. if that's so, then if china's bad, the break up would be inevitable too, and you can all just sit back, relax, and wait for it to happen.

i still can't get off the han chauvinist. it's funny, i've never been called a chauvinist before, it's a strange and unsettling feeling. I've also never been so vindictively labled as a race either. Well, besides yellow chinese and such, but HAN specifically. for some reason, i don't know why, it seems as if you're isinuating that i think that the han is superior to all other ethnicities in CHina. I hardly think so. Personally, i'd say the han is most boring of all ethncities in CHina. I've always thought that the han are just those of us who forgot what ethnicity we are, or those of us who are so diluted and mixed that we can't find a better category. You could be otherwise suggesting that the Han are the only CHinese, and so the chinese, being the han, should leave everyone else alone. Well, i think you know where we stand on that.

As for your comment on getting our prcious arse off of sichuan and yunnan and such areas, i hope you realize that there are a lot more ethnicities besides tibetians, including the han, who are historically located in those areas. I hardly think it's fair to say that since Tibet (what we call XiZang) is occupied by tibetians, everywhere else that is somehow occupied by tibetians are also tibet. I mean, i'm sure there are tibetians everywhere, in beijing especially. You might as well capture the chinese capital, call all of china tibet, put it under a tibetian regime and mission accomplished. Then what would you have accomplished but a change of government and name, and if that was your goal, i'm sure you didn't have to go to all that trouble to overthrow the communists.

and i can understand you wanting tibetian independence. I want ice cream, i also want to fly. However, i think it's rather rude of you to say you demand for it. it makes you sound spoiled, i personally think. and i can't help thinking that you mean to tell me that by convincing me to relinquish tibet, you'd be convincing china to relinquish tibet. I dare say china doesn't give a crap about me.

oh you mentione bandits too. I'm sorry i'm not addressing you in order, i have to go back and read your entire comment. but since you mentioned bandits, i can only assume two things. Either you mean that it's bandits who are looting not the military, in that case i suggest you lay off the military. Sadly, i doubt that that's what you meant and instead you meant that the military are those bandits. Might I say that all military are bandits, and if the Dalai Lama has the guts to say that the President Bush, I'd personally give him a pat on the back. Nevertheless, I agree with you in that there is no excuse for indecent behavior, i think the soldiers who are so perverted and appalling should be severely punished, and that is indeed a crime on the soldiers' and the government's behalf, and I understand that the tibetians probably hate me because I look and talk exactly like those horrible soldiers. But again, me having that chauvinistic mentality, somehow can't get my arse around the fact that Tibet should get it's independence. It's so rational yes, so morally right yes. but no. well, i have reasons too, but then again, they are from brainwashing and propaganda sources, and i doubt you'd believe them anyway, just like I don't believe you very much.

I hope i'm being civil, although i suspect i'm being condescending and horribly sarcastic. but then again, i'm addressing people who call me stupid chinese commie.

oh, and you don't really have to go into all caps, i can read you fine I swear, and i don't need the caps to understand that you're extremely indignant and is shouting at me and want to bite my head off.

oh, and what's so wrong with communism anyway? Not chinese communism, or USSR communism, but just communism in general? and why can't it coexist with democracy? I've been refering to myself as a commie, but i don't think i am, because i like america and capitalism and all that, and I don't think communism is particularly practical, but still, what's so EVIL about it is what i don't understand.

and again, i do know what its like to watch people be raided and raped. my grandfather was born in a japanese jail in china as my grandmother watched her husband be tortured to death. i'm sure you can find similar and worse stories in many chinese people's lives. and if what you say about the chinese military is true, i'd say that the soldiers are despicable and that they should know better, especially the chinese military should know better because of our encounter with japan. If it is true, then the military deserves all the hate and reproach and more. But I hope you see that no matter how the statistics come out, it'd be near impossible to convince all the chinese that their military was doing that. I mean, look at the uproar cause by photographic evidence of how the american military treated iraq. how would you react if someone told you that your father or brother was scum and a rapist and a bandit? I doubt you'd take it too well,in fact you'd probably break their jaw, i know i would. i'd also doubt that any photographic evidence would be allowed to be released in China. so good luck persuading people.

well, i'm not sure what conclusion i led myself or you to. I'm confused, you're adament, and i'm going to fail my chemistry test tomorrow. wish me luck, although you're probably hoping that i fail miserably for the rest of my life, but that's ok, i don't think i have horrible karma, unless being a chauvinistic han chinese commie is absolutely the worst sin ever, in which case, i'm just doomed.

love and forgive me for my ignorance and insolence. good luck freeing tibet and supporting the Dalai Lama. Don;t expect to see me there.

Diego
TIBET  

Location: SAN FRANCISCO
Subject: TO DIEGO THE HAN CHAUVANIST
Feb 02 2005 11:30 PM

WE ARE NOT ASKING OR WANT ANYTHING FROM CHINA OR CHINESE. THE ONLY THING WE WANT AND DEMAND IS CHINESE LEAVE TIBET.

WE JUST WANT AN END TO CHINESE MILITARY OCCUPATION OF TIBET. WHAT WILL YOU DO IF YOUR HOUSE IS RAIDED BY BANDITS AND RAPE YOU MOMS AND SISTERS AND LOOTS YOUR HOUSE.

CHINESE GET YOUR ARSE OFF ALL TIBETAN AREAS INCLUDING TAR, SICHUAN, YUNAN AND OTHER ADJOINING PROVINCE OF CHINA.

Diego  

Location: You know where
Subject: yes it's me again
Feb 02 2005 11:03 AM

I forgot, I'm also a lying CHinese too.
Diego  

Location: USA
Subject: me again
Feb 02 2005 10:56 AM

sorry guys, but you'll just have to deal with me once more.

mingmar, there are 1.3 BILLION chinese, not millions. yes i do realize that this just made 40 sund even more pathetic. but I don't deny that. and seriously, you're right, no one in China cares. About Tibet, about traditional music, about culture. They're too busy trying to be capitalists and idolizing America to care (note the bitterness). but I won't rant to you about the new generation of Chinese or the fact that the present ttime government is shite, and not in the way you guys mean shite, but whatever. That'd bore you or make you think out of your safe protected and happy narrow-mindedness.

I should delete that, but I won't. I feel bitter and sleepy and am wasting my time ranting to people who probably hate me by now instead of writing my English paper. What is wrong with me! Well, you could probably tell me that and include the fact that I am a stupid brainwashed yellow Chinese commie.

I'd like to apologise for the comments I made earlier of you being narrow-minded. I had no right to say that (although I firmly believe it) since I'm about as angry, insensitive, narrowminded and brainwashed as you, if not even more so. I'm sure you're thinking even more so, yay for you, you've probably got it right.

This is surprisingly fun, relaxing, destressing and psychiatrically helpful. how odd. I look forward to seeing people's comments to me, although I suspect I won't be so relaxed and destressed by them.

Well, i was debating whether I should tell you, but since I'm being an absolutely horribly spiteful and hateful person anyway, I might as well:

I found this site by googling:

Dalai Lama Bigot.

To make you all feel better, I only found one site that actually said Dalai Lama is a bigot, and all the other one talked about how people like me are bigots to the Dalai Lama, and trust me, there are lots of them. So hopefully, you'll be thinking happy thoughts rather than stoning your computer because a stupid ignorant evil Chinese commie has just blasphemed against your most revered leader.

I apologize if I offend anyone. I apologize if I misused words. I apologize that I am an American citizen and am currently residing in the US where the first amendment applies and guarantees my freedom of speech and other forms of expression. I apologise for being and ignorant stupid brainwashed yellow evil racist horrible brainless nitwit B****y narrowminded meddlesome offensive insensitive foul-mouthed Chinese commie bigot git.

Hey, you want my email so you can send me hate-mail?

so long, i think you're hoping i don't post againg, but you'd never know.

Love to all, yes even to the Dalai Lama, the Japanese and the Taiwanese separatists, because for some reason I also decided to become an American treehugger too.

Anyway, Love and good lick hating me

Diego
Diego  

Location: USA
Subject: ah well
Feb 02 2005 10:32 AM

In defense of the Chinese, we are not stupid, or evil...

but I'm sure all of you here wouldn't believe me.

I am a bit dissapointed however that an enlightened group concerned with democracy and the plight of tibetians WOULD utter such racist remarks.

As I know little about either Tibet or Taiwan except for what my little brainwashed and commie propaganda tells me, I cannot comment positively or make an intelligent retort on the Dalai Lama or Taiwan, so I'll leave that alone.

As for the 40 people protest...pathetic yes, but I seriously doubt that the government had much to do with this...but hey, it's COMPLETELY possible. looking at what the Chinese Government HAS done, anything's possible. I might add that I think China's being run by a bunch a of bigots...but then again, I am also a semi-Mao admirer, so I'm probably not good authority.

As for brainwashing, I think all society and all media is brainwashing. In fact, I think you're brainwashing each other, but you probably think I'm brainwashed. Whatever. It's probably all true. I have Chinese television. I also have budhist television, and Taiwanese television, Cantonese TV, and American television. I REALLY like how none of them report on anything remotely alike except for maybe the tsunami. Lots of television is interesting perspective.

You all should get Chinese television, it's hilarious I swear. It's also sentimental, profound, and ridiculous, just like American TV, or Taiwanese TV or Cantonese TV. Point being, I don't think people in China are anymore brainwashed than you or me or the Dalai Lama, but just in different ways.

Great, I sound like, well, whatever I sound like...

You probably hate me by now, since I'm obviously a stupid Chinese, and I'm obviously not a Dalai Lama supporter, and definately an anti-separatist. But I'm also sixteen and American, so I'm as ignorant and bored as the next person...well ok so I'm raambling about nothing now, but ok.

I just thought that I should give you more perspective, though I doubt you all would care what I said. I know that I didn't care what you said. Actually I was rather offended and indignant, but that's really not the point and I doubt you give a crap. But I just thought that this place needed some diversity, and since I made myself read all of these comments anyway, why not.

If anyone of you feel obligated to check out opposing arguments, here's an address. I have to warn you though, it's pretty harsh, and you'll probably curse me and the author if you read it, but I'm an atheist so I really shouldn't care should I?

http://www.antiwar.com/chu/c102999.html

There you go.

As for Japan. Being the ignorant stupid grudge-holding hypocrytical racist evil Chinese byotch that I am, The Japanese are not in any way, shape or form better or less stupid than us. That's about as nuetral as I can make it.

see you all later and loves and kisses
mingmar  

Location: tezu
Subject: truth is bitter...
Jan 03 2005 08:06 PM

so what?? out of million chinese only 40 chinese came forward to go against His HOLINESS.yeah...it's the coward act of the comunist govt.now they are getting feared of the popularity of the tibet issue.so ma fellow tibetan smoke is coming out from the chinese side...now pour some more fuel and make a huge born fire and tell the world that tibet is for tibetan, not for those cunning people.i need ur support..bhod hyalo......
Rangtsen Fiter  

Location: USA
Subject: ignorse Chinese stupid action
Jan 02 2005 06:25 AM

I,personally don't care what Chinese is trying to do. They lie and brain wash others all the time. Of-couse,this protest is clearly set up by Chinese government. Anyway, Japanese isnot stupid like Chinese. It will invite H.H in Afril and its people will support for human right, freedom of religous, peaceful solution. Our side are always trying to solve the problem with truthfully, nonevoilent and caring for every human rights. But we the Tibetan must fight for our justice until we get our result. Justice is always powerful and in democratic side. Communist will go soon or later for better world to live. Thank Freedom fighter
NIne Eyed Dzi  

Location: Not important
Subject: Rejoic from the protest!
Jan 01 2005 03:28 PM

The 40 people protest in front of the embassy of Japan in Beijing is a case of reflection of how the Chinese government feel about demonstrations against them.

It is without doubt that the protest was organised by the Chinese government itself. How would people dare of even think of a protest to any one in a land where any kind of protest is not tolerated.

Since now the Chinese government have allowed to protest, they should now let whosoever protest against any one in the future as long as it is done peacefully.

It is also without doubt that the His Holiness will visit Japan. China cannot interfere in Japanese foreign policy and the wishes of the Japanese people.

Tibetans shouldn't take the protest as entirely negative. Tibetans have a reason to rejoice from this protest as this will set a new trend in the history of China.

And we all know that all the Chinese are not against the Tibetans and His Holiness.

Nine Eyed Dzi
Pure Bhoodpa  

Location: USA
Subject: comment for Tsepak's mention
Dec 31 2004 12:46 PM

Tsepak, what the hell are you talking about taxes. U-tsang, Khampa and Amdo all are pure Tibetans before Chinese took over our country. Then after that,all Tibetans were equally torturing, suffering and imprisonment under Chinese ruthless rules until H.H the Dalai Lama's representives arrived at Lhasa, Kham's area and Amdo's around 1979. When I was in Tibet, there were not particular taxes collective but Chinese government took alway half of income from all every year. So I don't understand what hell you talking about. Any way, all Tibetan has equal responsibility getting back our rights. And then we all share our benefits equally in our own country. So I suguest you. If you are not getting momey from Chinese, you should say carefully what you try to say. Ok
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